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0005486The Dark ModCodingpublic08.01.2021 04:53
Reporterstgatilov Assigned Tostgatilov  
Status assignedResolutionopen 
Product VersionTDM 2.08 
Target VersionTDM 2.10 
Summary0005486: dmap: close vertices due to numeric errors, and bloomed sparklies
DescriptionDmap seems to generate very close vertices, and consequently sliver triangles.
These triangles have different attributes (normals?), hence specular highlight is very strong on them.
They look like "sparklies".

If bloom and 64-bit color are enabled, then sparklies turn into large over-bright spots.
Steps To Reproduce1) Choose NHAT fm.
2) Run: dmap politics.
3) Now: map politics
4) From starting area, go ahead and turn left on the first occasion.

The fence is bad: it has very close vertices, and very sliver triangles.
And probably also sparklies.
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related to 0005137 resolvedstgatilov Dmap optimization breaks rain patches 
related to 0004957 resolvedstgatilov Snow and rain particles stopping on brushes 




05.01.2021 18:19

administrator   ~0013380

Last edited: 05.01.2021 18:19

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Found that svn rev 8558 broke it (TDM 2.08):

Revision: 8558
Author: stgatilov
Date: 2 февраля 2020 г. 23:32:15
0004957. Reduce chance that close vertices would be snapped to different points in T-junctions removal.

Note the T-junctions removal algorithm also serves as a generic mesh cleaner.
It snaps triangle vertices exactly to each other, so that further mesh processing could work reliably.

The problem is that when vertex is snapped to some grid point, its coordinate is rounded to the nearest of two snap points.
If model has vertices exactly at the middle between snap points, then they get snapped into different directions depending on roundoff error.
Having vertex with coordinate (2*integer+1)/64 is quite likely in a real model.
The fix is to shift coordinate slightly, so that it gets rounded down in such cases.

Modified : /trunk/tools/compilers/dmap/tritjunction.cpp


05.01.2021 18:20

administrator   ~0013381



07.01.2021 05:45

administrator   ~0013416

Last edited: 07.01.2021 11:27

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Added test map to SVN: maps\test\
Added test map to SVN: maps\test\
Added test map to SVN: maps\test\

The fence from "No Honor Among Thieves" uses custom material.
When extracting test map, I replaced it with stock material using the same textures.
As the result, I don't see such bloom-magnified plasma particles =)
Instead I see small bright sparklies running along edges of the fence.

The sign from "New Job" is also added as test map.
It is the entity which has mentioned related to the original "fix" (which broke this fence):
The problem is the same: sliver triangle on the top of the sign.
It is even displayed as bright white line, supposedly showing the same problem as the fence.

The last test map is from "Saint Lucia".
It has a rope right in front of the player, which has a very sliver hole in it.
It seems that the rope is composed of brushes, and I guess this hole happens due to close input vertices snapped to different hash vertices.


08.01.2021 04:53

administrator   ~0013426

Regarding the rope: it is hardly fixable.

The problem happens due to "optimize" algorithm removing collinear vertices.
This algorithm works independently on every planar piece of the entity, and can remove almost collinear vertices, shifting boundary by up to 0.1.
It is possible that closed triangulation becomes non-closed due to this shift, introducing sliver holes of very low width.

I have no ideas how to fix it (disabling optimization would help, but is hardly an option).

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05.01.2021 18:18 stgatilov New Issue
05.01.2021 18:18 stgatilov Status new => assigned
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05.01.2021 18:20 stgatilov File Added: nhat3_redmapped_flashes.jpg
05.01.2021 18:20 stgatilov Relationship added related to 0005137
06.01.2021 04:28 stgatilov Target Version TDM 2.09 => TDM 2.10
06.01.2021 05:12 stgatilov Relationship added related to 0004957
07.01.2021 05:45 stgatilov Note Added: 0013416
07.01.2021 05:59 stgatilov Note Edited: 0013416 View Revisions
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