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0004627The Dark ModSoundpublic30.12.2018 11:36
Reporterduzenko Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeveritynormalReproducibilityhave not tried
Status feedbackResolutionopen 
Product VersionSVN 
Target VersionTDM 2.08Fixed in Version 
Summary0004627: Sound volume option is not respected
DescriptionIn the beginning of NHAT politics there is some narrative. It's full loud no matter what the current volume is.

By current volume I mean s_volume_DB.
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related to 0003395 resolvedgrayman Create/re-enable voice volume slider in main menu 

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Springheel

Springheel

11.12.2017 22:14

administrator   ~0009762

Is this different in 2.06 than 2.05? If not, it should be moved to 2.07.

Chances are, it's because the mapper didn't set the speaker up the particular way needed to have it affected by that slider, since most mappers aren't aware of how to do it.
grayman

grayman

12.12.2017 12:58

administrator   ~0009767

s_volume_dB claims to be a "global volume scale", which sounds like it should affect all sounds.

It's controlled by the SFX slider in the Audio menu.

In 2.05, the narrative voice maintains its volume even if the SFX slider is set to zero.

At this point, I'm moving this to 2.07 because 2.05 and 2.06 behave the same way.

In my mind, sound is divided into two areas: ambient and everything else. This lets me turn down ambient sounds that are annoying (like music).

But we also have 'narrator' and 'player' voice sliders, and the sounds they control need to be set up a certain way by the mapper.

So NHAT needs to be examined to see how it's been set up.

Blah blah blah.

2.07.

user81

28.03.2018 08:46

  ~0010178

I can fix this, what do I need to change in that speaker?

user81

28.03.2018 08:46

  ~0010179

see last note.
Springheel

Springheel

04.07.2018 13:57

administrator   ~0010640

I bet less than 2% of missions have sounds that are affected by the 'narrator' or 'player' sliders, because no one has any clue what the difference is. And to add plenty of confusion for non-mappers, neither slider affects the things you might assume it would--regular sounds the player makes (grunts, etc), or the narration during briefings. So mappers don't use them because they don't know what they do, and players don't use them because they don't appear to do anything.

Another example of a mess being made by someone who just implemented his idea without discussing it with anyone first.
grayman

grayman

04.07.2018 15:12

administrator   ~0010641

I asked what the difference was years ago and Tels gave some explanation.

I was still confused afterward. A narrator is the same as "internal thoughts" in my mind.

Shadowhide's Deceptive Shadows has a player voice that is so loud I had to stop playing the mission back in the day. At the time, I couldn't figure out how to soften it. I didn't look at the map to see how it was done. Maybe it's controlled by one of the sliders.

DS might serve as a good test vehicle for determining if these sliders are really necessary. Or at least give us a way to determine whether authors have used one slider or the other, and if there's a chance to delete one of them.
nbohr1more

nbohr1more

28.12.2018 05:19

developer   ~0011151

The sliders work if you remove:

"volume 40" from the sound shaders...

See here for the correct setup:

http://wiki.thedarkmod.com/index.php?title=Setting_Up_Speakers

volume/ s_volume

    The volume is set in dB. Usually this means there is a maximum of 0 dB. The minimum is -60 dB which results in absoulute silence.

Edit (demagogue): I found a handy decibel calculator here:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchange.htm
that lets you compute the decibel number for relative loudness. According to it,
"0" is the native volume of the sound, "-60" is silence, "-4" is 3/4 (.75) of the volume,
"-10" is half (.5) the volume, "-17" is 0.3 of the volume, and it goes quickly down from there.
"3" is 1.25 the volume. "10" would be double (probably too loud).

    Up to a certain point the game allows the use of positive values as well, but be aware, as this is sensitive:

    To prevent clipping the engine has a mechanism that does not allow the volume to overdrive your sound hardware. For testing, it can be disabled via the s_clipVolumes cvar, but if it is active it will clip the volume for every output sound channel after all the other calculations are done -- this includes stereo panning, so once the volume setting is too high all the speakers (in your headphones, on your stereo) will play the sound at the same maximum volume. It gets virtually monofied, the player no longer is able to locate the sound.

    In general it is best to avoid setting the volume on an individual speaker unless strictly necessary, because it prevents future updates to the volume specified in the sound shader from taking effect in your map. It is preferable to set the volume correctly on the sound shader declaration itself (or request that the Dark Mod team do so, if it is a core asset supplied with the mod).
nbohr1more

nbohr1more

28.12.2018 05:36

developer   ~0011152

Tested with:

volume 10

(Max recommended value)

The slider still works but you need to go half way down to
hear any substantial effect.

Recommendation?

Clamp volume to 8
Springheel

Springheel

28.12.2018 14:49

administrator   ~0011160

Which slider affects it?
nbohr1more

nbohr1more

28.12.2018 14:52

developer   ~0011161

Last edited: 28.12.2018 14:56

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NHAT:

(As I recall from last nights testing...)

During the briefing, only the SFX slider seems to work.

In-game, the "Player Voice" slider is the one that controls the "quips".

Again, you'd need to edit the sound shaders to a value 10 or lower to see it working.
40 is apparently outrageously over-amplified.

STiFU

STiFU

30.12.2018 10:36

developer   ~0011192

Are we still looking into this or should we move this to 2.08?

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
28.09.2017 08:21 duzenko New Issue
11.12.2017 22:14 Springheel Note Added: 0009762
12.12.2017 12:58 grayman Note Added: 0009767
12.12.2017 12:58 grayman Target Version TDM 2.06 => TDM 2.07
28.03.2018 08:46 user81 Note Added: 0010178
28.03.2018 08:46 user81 Assigned To => user81
28.03.2018 08:46 user81 Status new => assigned
28.03.2018 08:46 user81 Note Added: 0010179
28.03.2018 08:46 user81 Status assigned => acknowledged
04.07.2018 13:57 Springheel Note Added: 0010640
04.07.2018 14:32 nbohr1more Relationship added related to 0003395
04.07.2018 15:12 grayman Note Added: 0010641
15.12.2018 16:57 Springheel Assigned To user81 =>
28.12.2018 05:19 nbohr1more Note Added: 0011151
28.12.2018 05:36 nbohr1more Note Added: 0011152
28.12.2018 06:06 nbohr1more Status acknowledged => feedback
28.12.2018 14:49 Springheel Note Added: 0011160
28.12.2018 14:52 nbohr1more Note Added: 0011161
28.12.2018 14:53 nbohr1more Note Edited: 0011161 View Revisions
28.12.2018 14:56 nbohr1more Note Edited: 0011161 View Revisions
30.12.2018 10:36 STiFU Note Added: 0011192
30.12.2018 11:36 STiFU Target Version TDM 2.07 => TDM 2.08